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Private bookmarks and public bookmarks (the existing, delicious-style system)
22% (31 stemmer)
Private bookmarks, public bookmarks and recs
74% (102 stemmer)
Something else which I will explain in the comments
4% (5 stemmer)
Antal stemmer: 138
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I voted for the second one.
I voted for the second one. I usually don't bookmark a fic unless I like it, but I still like to be able to distinguish between fics that are good and fics that are outstanding. If I'm new to a fandom I want to read all the outstanding fics first.
I agree with Poi about people tagging their bookmarks with their own version of rec: everyone is going to do something different, so it will be difficult to easily search across a big fandom.
I'd prefer something that's
I'd prefer something that's as non-specific as possible, so people can use it however they'd like. Rather than calling them recs, I'd go for "favorites" or "starred." I bookmark all sorts of stories that I find interesting, but some are really favorites and some are bookmarked for all sorts of other reason. Most people would probably consider a favorites list the same as recs, but you could also have all your bookmarks essentially be recs, with favorites being the most strongly recc'd.
A data-point for jinjur
I think that this is the first time I have been disappointed in Drupal; the results of the poll module are startling every time I come here. It looks like the option which currently has 3% of the vote ("something else") is winning by a mile, due to the fact that the "empty" space on the right is colored grey. It pops more than the white on the left, which is -- I think -- denoting the voting. Next time we do a poll, can we style it differently?
:) The past few months,
:)
The past few months, we've actually been working away on a new, improved theme for the whole site that should make improvements like this possible. I found the poll results styling a little strange, too! Thanks for the input.
I have voted for the second
I have voted for the second option, as I definitely can see people making lists of both of 'to read' and 'guilty pleasure' stories - stories you can't exactly *recommend*, but still want to share. Though I really don't see the point of offering to make recs private, I guess it works as two options? public/private & rec/not rec?
I would be fine with it if everyone just tagged their recs REC or something similar so they could easily be found with a click or two - that is, it doesn't seem like anything extra *should* be necessary - only I don't think everyone *would*. I think they'd tag them "three stars" and "really like this!" and "stupid whimsical tag equating to a rec but which can't easily be wrangled" and so on. In fact, it is clear from the bookmarks already there that no-one is tagging anything REC, (though that may just be because at present all bookmarks are called recs). If you go with that in the end anyway, maybe the rec tag could be made to stand out in some way?
As far as adding another field goes, I assume it would just be a checkbox (Recommend this story?) or a suggestion to add the tag REC or the like; at any rate it seems likely it would be no more effort than typing out the tag (that is, no more effort for *me*; presumably a lot more effort for the coders ;}).
(Also, I assume it's not part of the final design but the big NOT RECCED is kind of hilarious - you, I like, but you - NOT RECOMMENDED!).
You're right that private
You're right that private recs wouldn't necessarily make sense. Rec/not rec and public/private would be two different options on the back end, yes, but we might nonetheless end up implementing it in a way which prevents you from making recs private - the whole thing is still fairly theoretical at this stage, obviously. :D
And ahahaha, yes - the big labels on the picture are purely for informational purposes and definitely not part of any proposed design!
yeah, that's my position as
yeah, that's my position as well -- with an extra dimension: they might tag it "das müsst ihr lesen!" in German and "je l'aime!!!!" in French and "hot stuff" in English...so searching for rec tags is even harder in a *multilingual* archive. (supposing that people read stories in more than one language -- but I think there are/will be enough people who do.)
Languages of recs
Yes, this is a good point. Actually, we haven't done enough thinking about how recs and bookmarks should work from a multilingual perspective, yet - I'd love to hear your thoughts on that at some point! At the moment works have a language and you can choose which languages to see (or maybe that's still in the pipeline), but bookmarks don't. Then again, I'm not sure how a language setting for bookmarks would work - the language the bookmark is written in? The language of the work being bookmarked? Maybe it's better to see all bookmarks together, regardless of the language they're written in, or maybe that would get overwhelming. Hmmm. *ponders*
Separate rec section
I'd prefer a separate rec section myself, though a filter would be just as good. That or a definite icon to distinguish between a bookmark and a bookmark/rec. (like the heart icon in the sample) though having to scroll through pages of bookmarks just to find a rec icon might make me avoid looking for one.
A different icon is
A different icon is definitely planned for recs, if we go ahead with them - probably the heart and something else for bookmarks. We haven't reached any conclusions on a separate section yet, but one option we've talked a bit about is having links at the top of the page to allow you to change views between Recs and All Bookmarks. Obviously that's still very vague and we might end up doing something completely different, but just to give you an idea of what kind of thing we're considering. :)
- Cal (OTW Coders)
rec icon
I agree that there should be an extra tag, but I don't think I like the heart icon for bookmarks. When I rec, I mark some stories that are personal favorites because they hit a kink or quirk of mine and make me feel gooey and/or happy with a heart. I do like all my recs, naturally, but not enough to heart them, and I use the heart on bookmarks that aren't really good enough to be recs, too. Of course this is just my personal system and I can come up with a new one, but I do sort of feel that the way ♥ are used in fandom parlance has a specific meaning that I wouldn't want to blanket-apply to all of my recs as it seems to make it less meaningful.
Icons
We're still very much at the 'tossing ideas about' stage when it comes to icons for bookmarks and recs, to be honest - particularly since we're waiting to see the outcome of the poll before we even take a decision on whether to implement recs, of course! - so if you have any alternative suggestions for what icons could suitably distinguish bookmarks and recs, we'd love to hear them. (Speaking purely personally, I was in favour of the heart icon we're currently using for bookmarks because I think it's adorable and don't want to lose it entirely as part of the redesign, but I am totally open to other ideas!)
can I search recs across the site?
I don't personally see much difference between a public bookmark and a rec, but if other people see a reason other than reccing to make a bookmark public, I have no trouble with having the additional fields to fill out.
What I want to know is if I will be able to see recs by fandom across the site. When I get into a new fandom, I really value large recs lists, so I'd love to see all recs in that fandom, if possible. Clicking user by user is inefficient.
Seeing recs by fandom is
Seeing recs by fandom is definitely necessary, you're right - in fact, it's actually already possible, though it's a bit hidden and we still need to give some thought as to where it's best located long-term. At the moment, if you go to the fandoms page and select a fandom, you're taken to the stories in that fandom by default, but there's a link at the top of the page which takes you to bookmarks for that fandom. :D
- Cal (OTW Coders)
As long as the bookmarks can
As long as the bookmarks can be tagged as recs, I'm good with private and public. That is, as long as they can also be searched through the tags, and preferably searched with boolean logic through the tags...
It is definitely possible to
It is definitely possible to tag your bookmark with the tag 'rec', yes. I don't think bookmarks are being indexed for the search function at the moment, but that's something we'll be wanting to look at long-term - search still needs some work in general. In terms of filtering, at the moment it is at least possible to, say, click on a tag on a bookmark and see all bookmarks with that tag (and soon also all bookmarks on fics with that tag, too), but we'll be thinking about some more advanced options too.
- Cal (OTW Coders)
Awesome!! I hadn't noticed
Awesome!! I hadn't noticed that before, so it's very cool to see that.
In the long run, will the stories that have been recced more be at the top of the list?
total votes: 0
Folks, I'd like to vote in the poll, but I'm logged in and it doesn't seem to be giving me the option of voting. It says "Total votes: 0." :(
If I could, I'd vote for the private and public bookmarks, with the feature being referred to as "bookmarks" rather than "recs."
fixed!
all set for you now. :)
One moment! Technical
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this poll doesn't work
I can't vote. And it doesn't tell me that someone from my IP already voted either (which would be unlikely anyway). It just shows the options with 0 votes next to them, but nowhere I could click.
fixed!
thank you for your patience!
sorry!
one moment, please...
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