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  • Events Calendar for September 2014

    By Jennifer Rose Hale on lundi, 1 September 2014 - 2:21pm
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    Welcome to our Events Calendar roundup for the month of September! The Events Calendar can be found on the OTW website and is open to submissions by anyone with news of an event. These can be viewed by event-type, such as Academic Events, Fan Gatherings, Legal Events, OTW Events, or Technology Events taking place around the world.

    • A Fantastic Legacy: Diana Wynne Jones Memorial Conference honors the life and work of the 20th century writer of British children's fantasy. The conference, for both scholars and fans, is hosted by Newcastle University and Seven Stories, the National Centre for Children’s Books, and takes place September 5-6 in Newcastle, England.

    • HawaiiCon bills itself as the "first sci-fi, science, and fantasy tropical vacation convention." This year's event is scheduled for September 12-14 on the Kohala Coast. Guests include Jane Espenson, Walter Koenig, and Cree Summer.

    • Fanlore's Stub September encourages fans to contribute their expertise to the site. A stub is an article on Fanlore that is under-developed and missing important information. Right now, there are over 1,600 pages on Fanlore already identified as stubs. You’re invited to use the list to find a page where you know something about the topic, and edit the page to add your new information. Need help getting started? The Wiki Committee will host an editing party on Sunday, September 14, at 19:00 UTC.

    • The Metafandom Unconference is being hosted by the University of Waterloo’s Games Institute and the IMMERSe Research Network September 18-19 in Ontario. Unconferences are "gatherings of interested scholars and experts, where they have informed conversations on a particular topic--fandom and fan studies, in this case!"

    • Wolf Moon Con is the first unofficial Teen Wolf fan convention in Spain! Scheduled for September 19-21 in Madrid, the con will host actors of this series, including Tyler Hoechlin, Ian Bohen, and JR Bourne.

    • Rose City Comic Con takes place September 20-21 at the Oregon Convention Center in Portland, and will be co-produced by both Emerald City Comicon and Rose City Comic Con, combining the talents and organizational efforts for one event. Celebrity guests include Michael Biehn, Ernie Hudson, Wil Wheaton, and Sean Astin.

    Calls for Papers this month come from:

    • The Cultural Transformations Research Group, Aarhus University, is hosting Otherness and Transgression in Celebrity and Fan Cultures in November and is soliciting papers by September 5. Topics may include "the Construction of Otherness in Fandom and Fan Works," "Monstrosity, the Abject, and Uncanny in Fan Fiction, Fandoms, and Celebrityhood," and "the (Im)Material Other Worlds of Fandoms and the Alternative Spaces of Fan Communities."


    The OTW encourages anyone to submit an event that's not already listed, and to check out the calendar throughout the year!

  • OTW Fannews: Enduring Effects

    By Janita Burgess on dimanche, 17 August 2014 - 5:05pm
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    OTW Fannews Enduring Effects

    • An Autostraddle post explored the influence of femslash. "I didn’t find femslash until I was 17. I can’t remember the exactly when but I do remember the exactly what: Ginny Weasley and Pansy Parkinson. I noticed that Ginny seemed a lot happier and more alive with Pansy than she ever did with Harry, kind of like how teenage me was noticing that I hated being around boys but was positively radiant in a girl’s presence. You can actually track the evolution of my sexuality with the fanfiction I read and wrote: the more comfortable I became with my hugely gay life, the more hugely gay my bookshelf was, fanfiction included."
    • The Week used tattoos to examine fandom. "As diverse as these tattoos are, they’re all rooted in the same thing: the powerful, deeply personal impact that mass culture can have on our private lives. Tattoos based on fandoms are rarely a simple tribute to the movies or TV shows we love; they’re muses, reminders of a friend, acts of rebellion, testaments to survival. Tattoos may begin with a fandom — but they end with the self."
    • The Celebrity Cafe claimed that Harry Potter fandom will endure. "Ever since Harry Potter 'ended' in 2007, the world has wondered what would happen after. Will the fandom die out? Will the magical world cease to exist? Ultimately, what happens when there are no more books and no more movies? Nothing. Nothing happened. We are alive and thriving just as we were back in 2007. Children are still discovering the stories; movie marathons courtesy of ABC Family are still rampant; and now we have a theme park. We are doing pretty decently if I say so myself. Naturally there have been losses as Mugglenet, one of the top Potter fan sites, did experience a 50 percent drop in viewership since the last film came out and the books have yet to crack a best-sellers list in years but that is no reason to assume the fandom is dissolving."

    What has always stuck with you about fandom? Write about it in Fanlore! Contributions are welcome from all fans.

    We want your suggestions! If you know of an essay, video, article, podcast, or link you think we should know about, comment on the most recent OTW Fannews post. Links are welcome in all languages! Submitting a link doesn't guarantee that it will be included in a Fannews post, and inclusion of a link doesn't mean that it is endorsed by the OTW.

  • Events Calendar for July 2014

    By Angela Nichols on mardi, 1 July 2014 - 5:30pm
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    Welcome to our Events Calendar roundup for the month of July! The Events Calendar can be found on the OTW website and is open to submissions by anyone with news of an event. These can be viewed by event-type, such as Academic Events, Fan Gatherings, Legal Events, OTW Events, or Technology Events taking place around the world.

    • The Almost Human fandom believes that Fox's decision to cancel Almost Human was disappointing, but they want to send the boys out in a blaze of creativity! The Almost Husbands Fic Challange is a mini Jorian fic and art challenge, with open posting throughout July. Slash and close friendship pieces welcome.

      More about Almost Human on Fanlore

    • Westercon is the "West Coast Science Fantasy Conference" held annually in the western part of the United States. Westercon 67 will take place in Sacramento, California from 3-6 July 2014. In addition to workshops and panels, the program features special guests, a masquerade and costume ball, an art show, musical events, and a writers workshop.

      More about Westercon on Fanlore

    • Readercon is an annual conference or convention devoted to "imaginative literature" — literary science fiction, fantasy, horror, and the unclassifiable works often called "slipstream." Readercon features over 150 writers, editors, publishers, and critics, attracting prominent figures from across the U.S., and international. They are joined by some 600 of their most passionate and articulate readers for a long weekend of intense conversation. Readercon 25 is 10-13 July 2014 in Burlington, Massachusetts.

      More about Readercon on Fanlore

    • Wolf's Bane The UK's second Teen Wolf convention, will be in Birmingham 11-13 July. The weekend will be complete with Guest Talks, Photo and Autograph sessions, Evening Entertainment and lots of fun! Guests include Holland Roden, JR Bourne, Daniel Sharman, Adam Fristoe, Seth Gilliam, Charlie Carver, and Max Carver.

      More about Teen Wolf on Fanlore

    • DashCon is an event on where Tumblr fans can gather and meet. Tumblr is a community so full of love, support, and creativity, and DashCon will be a place where they collaborate and connect outside of their laptops in Chicago 11-13 July 2014.

      More about Tumblr on Fanlore

    • System Administrator Appreciation Day is held to show appreciation for the work of systems administrators and other IT workers. It is celebrated on the last Friday in July. The first System Administrator Appreciation Day was celebrated on 28 July 2000. There are many suggestions for the proper observation of the holiday, the most common being cake and ice cream, so if you're reading this, thank your SysAdmins!
    • Comic Con International returns to San Diego, California for its 45th year. This mult-media, multi-genre, multi-fandom convention features panels involving celebrities, entertainers, and creators from a diverse range of entertainment. Special events, autograph signings, an exhibition hall, and screenings of films and television episodes occur throughout the 4-day event. San Diego Comic-Con will run from 24-27 July.

      More about Comic Con International on Fanlore

    Calls for Papers this month come from:

    • “Manga Futures: Institutional and Fannish Approaches in Japan and Beyond” Manga Studies is now emerging as an important field of scholarship and criticism within Japanese Studies and Cultural Studies. Today’s students are not simply consumers of manga. They live in a convergent media environment where they occupy multiple roles as fans, students and “produsers” (producers + users) of Japanese cultural content. Many students are engaged in “scanlation” and “fansubbing” sites as well as the production and dissemination of dōjin (fan-produced) work. These practices contribute to manga’s global appeal, influence and ease of access, but also raise ethical and legal issues, not least infringement of copyright.

      Invited proposals include, but are not limited to, the following themes: Fan appropriations of and contributions to manga culture in Japan and beyond, Ethical and legal challenges in the production and consumption of manga, Institutional support for or criticism of manga culture, The use of manga in Japan studies and Japan language pedagogy, The future of “manga studies” – theory and methods.
      Due date for proposals: 13 July 2014

    Help out a researcher!

    This month we have received a request for research participation from Barbara Galiza, a masters student of Digital Culture & Society at King's College London. She is writing a thesis on the evolution of digital platforms used for fandom and is looking for participants to answer a survey. Her study was approved by the college's Research Ethics Office.

    If you have any questions about her research, she may be contacted at barbara.galiza [at] kcl.ac.uk. Her supervisor is Btihaj Ajana who may be reached at btihaj.ajana [at] kcl.ac.uk and by telephone at +44 (0)20 7848 1011, or by mail at:

    King's College London
    Room 222, 26-29 Drury Lane
    London WC2B 5RL

    The research results will be presented at the Digital Research in Humanities and Arts conference in September and her completed dissertation will be published online and shared with the OTW.

    If you have requests for research participation, please view our policy for inclusion at our website.


    The OTW encourages anyone to submit an event that's not already listed, and to check out the calendar throughout the year!

  • Category Change Final Announcement

    By Claudia Rebaza on vendredi, 16 May 2014 - 4:19pm
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    The Category Change workgroup is ecstatic to present the final version of how fandom browsing will work in the Archive of Our Own in the future.

    This includes deep changes in the way current ‘media categories’ are organized – that is, a heavily reworked grouping of fandoms. You can view current categories in the Fandoms by Media page in the Archive.

    This proposal was elaborated based on internal input and the feedback obtained from Archive users, as well as ensuing discussion within the workgroup. You can learn more about the creation of the workgroup and the issues it arose from in our introductory post.

    Continue reading on AO3 News

  • Chat transcript for "The Future of Fanworks" fan panel

    By Claudia Rebaza on dimanche, 16 March 2014 - 3:20am
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    On March 15th the OTW held a chat with fans. If you missed it, here's the chat transcript! This has been edited for arrivals and departures in the room and greetings from the audience.

    Visit our post about "The Future of Fanworks" discussions if you'd be interested in future events.


    *Jintian
    Hello and welcome! As advertised, the Organization for Transformative Works is running a series of chats during the month of March about the future of fanworks, in celebration of our Milestone Month in February.

    Each discussion features a panel focusing on a different perspective: academic, fannish, industry and legal. Transcripts will be made public by Monday. (You can see the transcript for last weekend's academic discussion)

    You are currently in the fannish discussion. I’m your moderator, Jintian, and I’m a staffer with the OTW’s Communications committee.

    We have some prepared questions for the panel, but we’re happy for the discussion to evolve organically.

    If time permits, we’ll open up to questions from the audience — I’ll just ask you to type “raise hand” and will call on people in order.

    Thanks so much to our panelists Lucy, yhlee and yifu for your time and your participation! (For our audience, their chat usernames and mine are all prefaced with a * symbol.)

    yifu = Eve

    Ladies, would you like to briefly introduce yourselves? Perhaps give a quick summary of your years in fandom, primary fandoms you follow, and anything else you'd like to add.

    *Eve
    Hi, I'm Eve, from Indonesia. I've been a fan since the early 80s and my primary fandoms are anime, manga, and wuxia (Chinese martial arts lit.). The anime/manga series I follow are mostly shounen. Nice to meet you all!

    *Lucy B.
    I'm Lucy, aka cereta. I've been in fandom not quite twenty years. I probably spent the longest in DC Comics, but these days, I'm mostly into quirky stuff like Murder, She Wrote and whatever show my six-year-old is into. I ran the Fanfic Symposium way back when, and I do something on my journals called Grading Hell Theater. Hello!

    *yhlee
    Hi, I'm Yoon Ha Lee and I'm a sf/f writer. I first encountered fandom in college with an anime club and seeing anime music videos, which would have been 1998. Then several years later I encountered Western fandoms like Buffy. I tried to learn to write fanfic so I could learn to write sex scenes and instead became real good at fading to black, woe. These days I mostly follow anime, The Vampire Diaries, and whatever fic/vid recs come by on Dreamwidth. Howdy!

    *Jintian
    Thanks, panelists! :) We’ll begin by posing a question and then asking for each of you to answer, after which if you’d like to engage with earlier replies, please do. So, first question...

    What do you remember as your first encounter with fanworks or issues surrounding fanworks?

    *Eve
    My first encounter with fanworks was through the internet in the late 1990's, when I discovered fanfic and fanart for my major fandom. If issues here refer to problems, I remember some authors forbidding fanworks of their books. This was later, in the early 2000's. I remember being surprised at that time but acknowledging their right for forbidding it.

    *Lucy B.
    You know, that's a hard question. Was it when I made up stories about Spider-man after watching him on The Electric Company? Was it the continuation of V:The Series (the 80's one, not the new one) that my friend and I co-wrote for two years? Was it the online RPG set on Deep Space Nine that I played on my first BBS? No, I think I'd have to say it was Star Trek fanfic on Usenet. I think the thing I remember most was the way I gradually, tentatively edged into slash, and the way my own realization that hey, I really like this stuff seemed to parallel it becoming more visible. Of course, I started looking into it because I wanted to write a paper about the gender disparity between discussion and fiction on the newsgroups, but woe, Henry Jenkins had already written the book. Story of my life.

    *Eve
    Now I'm not so sure? I mean, I personally would be flattered if people create fanworks for my stories. But maybe legal ramifications is one of the major problems here.

    *yhlee
    My first encounter with fanworks issues was in Legend of the Five Rings (L5R), a USAn collectible card game/tabletop RPG that's been releasing canon/story for 15 years. Fanfic in L5R normally runs backwards in that the norm is to NOT write about canon characters, but about OCs (like your RPG character). One fanfic writer wrote a series of parody fics that involved things like dubcon gay sex. L5R's game company asked her to stop and she did. The writer took down all her fic without argument, so there was no dispute, but there were a lot of people really unhappy because she was very popular in the fandom and a very good writer as well. I find it hilarious that the dubcon gay sex was more of a big deal than the sometimes graphic violence and outright torture in canon, but okay.

    *Lucy B.
    Okay, that's funny. I helped beta test that game. I knew the developers.

    *yhlee
    I think AEG (L5R's company's) issue was partly that the author was using L5R canon characters, not just doing dubcon/etc. things with her own RPG characters; again L5R's norm is backwards.

    Hee.

    *Jintian
    *nod* I think that creator-->fandom relationship will come up throughout this discussion as an "issue" which has changed and will likely keep changing. In fact, my next question is...

    Since that first encounter, have there been any notable changes you’ve seen regarding fandom and fanworks? And are there any things that have endured, or that you think may never change?

    *Eve
    Back then trigger warnings barely existed, so fanfic readers were more likely to stumble into triggery things in the fics they read. Now that trigger warning are more common, readers can sort out the fanworks they might not be comfortable with.

    *Lucy B.
    I think the biggest change is that fandom has gone from being centered on sources (a show, comic, franchise, book, etc) to being focused on fans themselves. Livejournal, Dreamwidth, and even tumblr tend to be focused around a person rather than a show or movie or book series. I think that's brought about all SORTS of changes.

    *yhlee
    I had to be introduced to trigger warnings/content notes, but tags! I love tags. They make it so much easier for me to find what I want or avoid what I don't want.

    *Eve
    The number of sites where fans can post fanworks has also grown, so not only it's easier for fan creators to make their stories visible, they can also connect more easily with their audience. I personally believe the availability of these sites plays a great part in preserving, even increasing, fandom enthusiasm in creating fanworks.

    *Lucy B.
    Including the increasing breakdown between creator and fan that you mentioned above. With writers and actors on social media, there's more interaction.

    *yhlee
    I have this memory of Geocities shrines to individual shows (?), and now when I go looking for fanfic or fanworks, Lucy B.'s right, I am more likely to go to FF.net or AO3 or look for recs from friends on DW.

    *Jintian
    Hah, Eve -- I started in X-Files fandom. There was a pretty good warning culture even then, but it was still a wild and woolly place when it came to actual content. Stuff that was deemed romantic then would now raise a lot of eyebrows, I think.

    *yhlee
    Also, specific to fanfic, just being able to easily dump everything to an ereader format has made it *much* easier for me to carry around and consume fanfic, instead of having this ungodly mess of bookmarks.

    (Or printouts, eep.)

    *Lucy B.
    We've found ways to aggregate - newsletters and stuff - but for a while I think there was a real "Where's the fic??" going on.

    HAH. I still have binders full of SGA stories.

    *yhlee
    Laura Shapiro sent me--Due South deadtree fan anthologies once? I remember being astonished that people had made these physical objects, because I wasn't really in fandom circles where that happened early enough.

    *Lucy B.
    Oh, wow, there's a big change.

    *Eve
    Ahaha! I did print out fics from favorite authors, still have some of them now. Being able to read fanfic on the screen is definitely an improvement.

    *Lucy B.
    Zines are still around, but there's no question that they're MUCH less common.

    And the zine fandom v. net fandom issue is basically gone.

    *yhlee
    I do collect doujinshi (Japanese fancomics of shows, etc.) but I am not fluent in Japanese and I don't know what the fan culture is like over there.

    *Lucy B.
    One thing that has stayed the same, I think, is fannish generosity in sharing source material.

    The WAY we share has changed, but the impulse of, "Yes! Absolutely I can get you that show/movie/comic! You'll love it!" is still there.

    *yhlee
    Yes, I've definitely experienced that on both ends.

    *Lucy B.
    I think astolat and cesperanza's vid to Meatloaf was a fun example of how the more things change, the more they stay the same in that regard.

    *Eve
    Lucy: Though if the manga is licensed in Indonesia, I also usually encourage fellow fans to buy it. (a bit off-topic)

    *Lucy B.
    Oh, sure

    *yhlee
    What I usually saw was "Here, try this, and if you like it, please support the creator."

    *Jintian
    What are some things you’d like to see happen — or not happen — with fanworks in the future?

    *Eve
    Acknowledgment from source creators? In Indonesia, at least one author has been known to hold contests where participants write fanfic for her books.

    *Lucy B.
    I hope the move to/back to archives continues.

    *yhlee
    I'd love to see more fanworks in more media. I used to vid (badly) and put together a couple tiny vids for which I scored the music as well as putting together clips; I'm a hobbyist composer and I'm out of the vidding scene, but when I tried to talk to people about composing for vids as well as adapting existing songs, I just couldn't find a whole lot.

    Astrid Vohwinkel and I once collaborated on an Angel fancomic, and I'd love to see more of things like that too, even if I can't draw. Or games/interactive fiction; I don't know what the legal ramifications are, but the one time I asked Emily Short, she said that (as long as labeled as a derivative work?) it's fine to use Inform 7 (an IF programming language) to create a fanfic-game. Branching narrative/IF has a lot of interesting possibilities! (Maybe I am too much of a gamer at heart.

    *Lucy B.
    I'm also deeply excited to see where technology takes us. I'd speculate, but I think science fiction has taught us that we're really pretty bad at predicting future tech.

    *Jintian
    Eve, that is awesome! There's a self-published author who made it big named Hugh Howey, who's allowed fanfic of his work to be self-published as well. And I've seen some of those works on bestseller lists for Amazon Kindle. Great generosity.

    *yhlee
    Yes: I remember being really excited that vidding tech had become something I could afford.

    *Eve
    Jintian: Yep, that's audience appreciation right there. Lucy: LOL. But I'd love to see something interactive in fanworks creation. Something like a round robin, only with more people and a wider access to all sorts of media?

    *Lucy B.
    I'll admit, interaction with creators makes me nervous. I always think of Fanlib's line about coloring inside the lines. I remember how JMS's participation on the B5 newsgroup kept discussion so...tight. I love creators who say, "Sure, have at it!", but having them oversee the works would make me...I dunno, uptight.

    This may be my fannish history coming out, though.

    *Jintian
    Re: tech and fandom, I am one of those who feels rather behind the curve when it comes to where a lot of fandoms are "located" now, like Tumblr and Twitter. Although I'm curious about whatever the hot new platform after those might be.

    *Eve
    Yes, if we as the creator see someone beginning to write a problematic element into a fanfic (victim-blaming, racism) and we point it out, it might be seen as policing.

    *yhlee
    I feel ambivalent about fan/creator interaction: I remember going to an sf/f con where an sf author talked about loving that she had fans who wrote fic for her books, but then complained that some of the characterizations didn't seem to resemble her characters at all.

    *Eve
    yhlee: It's a risk of putting your works out there, I guess? And it's different than when fans complain about OOC-ness. When the author does it, she's more likely to be accused as being entitled.

    *yhlee
    Well, my feeling is if you don't want people to play with it in their heads, don't publish it. It's impossible to thought-police interpretations. But I am probably in a minority.

    *Lucy B.
    It's definitely a tightrope, and there's a part of me that wants fanfic to stay OURS. Of course, the line between Us and Them is pretty fuzzy (present company case in point).

    And Jintian, you are not alone re: tumblr ;).

    *yhlee
    I also think creators chilling fannish comment can be a problem when the source itself is problematic on whatever dimension--fan creations can function as critique and I'd hate to see that stifled.

    *Lucy B.
    *nods*

    *yhlee
    Okay, so who *are* these people who understand Tumblr? I've never met anyone even who uses Tumblr who claims to understand it. I use it and...I can't deal with the interface. But maybe I am too old.

    *Eve
    I agree. Confession: I'm a traditionally published author and I'm curious to see how readers interpret my stories in stories of their own. No one has ever done that so far though :) As someone who also creates fanworks, I'd like to see how it feels like to be on the other end. If that should ever happen, I'd better get ready for... anything.

    *Jintian
    I understand that Tumblr is full of pretty pictures which often move too fast for me to keep up with them. :)

    *Eve
    yhlee: Tumblr is great for sharing fanworks but not for commenting on them, in my experience. Tags and comments can get unwieldy. But maybe that's because I'm old too.

    *Lucy B.
    The closest I've come is having someone write fanfic off my fanfic. It was interesting ;).

    *yhlee
    Yes: similar, and I'm dying to see what would happen. I suspect I would be envious because there are plenty of ficwriters who can write rings around me. But, I mean, that's not a reason for them not to do it.

    *Jintian
    Re: fuzzy lines between Us and Them, I was going to note examples of fans who've produced original work and become source creators themselves. With, of course, a few examples of fanfic being repurposed into that original work and meeting with large success.

    *yhlee
    I've participated in a couple remixes, that's true.

    *Lucy B.
    I think that's why tumblr loses me. I want the discussion, and I just cannot track a tumblr conversation.

    *yhlee
    Lois McMaster Bujold and Vorkosigan Saga? Or am I misremembering?

    *Eve
    For discussions, LJ and DW are still the most convenient for me.

    *yhlee
    Ditto here.

    *yhlee
    Oh Us vs Them, I have to admit that I fic'd a Harlan Ellison work for Yuletide and kept waiting to be served with a notice because I remember back when I first joined the SFWA he would send these letters about illegal downloads or sharing of his works online, something like that, and I didn't think he would take any more kindly to fic...

    *Jintian
    I'm not that familiar with Bujold, if she's an example of a fan turned creator? I was thinking of, more recently, E.L. James and other Twilight authors who've re-written their fic into original work. (Back to that Amazon Kindle bestseller list: I've seen a handful of Twilight stories with serial numbers filed off ranking pretty high.) I'm sure there's fanfic of those works existing now, bringing it all full circle....

    *yhlee
    I *think* Bujold's Vorkosigan first book started out with some sort of Star Trek related inspiration, with serial numbers filed off. A lot.

    *Lucy B.
    Who was the slash author who repurposed her Pros fic? Mel Keegan?

    *Eve
    I do seem to remember a list of works stated as Twilight fanfic turned into original novels. Same for 50 Shades.

    *Jintian
    I think Lucy and Eve touched on a couple of interesting points earlier about fans being the focus of fandom, and fan creators being so in touch with their audiences. Particular fanfic writers with large followings can, and have, leveraged that into connection into readership for their traditionally published stuff.

    Kristina B.
    Yup Lucy, Mel Keegan.

    *Jintian
    *leveraged that connection

    *Lucy B.
    Funny story: her author blurbs used male pronouns.

    *Lucy B.
    That's true, Jintian.

    *Lucy B.
    OTOH, I don't mind that so much, because it means stuff that I'll probably like gets published ;)

    See: Mel Keegan.

    *Jintian
    I meant to say something at the half hour mark, but got caught up in the discussion. As we're now coming up on one hour: for newcomers to the chat room, I'd just like to say welcome to the OTW's fan panel discussion on the future of fanworks. Our panelists are Lucy, yhlee and yifu and I'm your moderator Jintian.

    *Eve
    Though I mostly keep my fannish identity separate from the trad-pub author identity. Readers of my novels don't really need to know about my passionate multichapter Saint Seiya fics... do they?

    *Jintian
    Unfortunately our chat room isn't able to show a user the discussion prior to their entrance, but the full transcript of this chat will be available by Monday, so you can see anything you missed.

    *yhlee
    I made the mistake of writing fanfic under my real name and really regret it, mainly because you can always unpseud but you can't repseud. So to speak.

    *Eve
    yhlee: Do you mean they change their fannish identities after they're traditionally published, that's why they're hard to find?

    *yhlee
    I find it slightly maddening that there are a couple fanfic writers whose works I've adored, whom I know have published traditionally, but since that connection will not/cannot be made public and I don't know the right people, I will probably never figure out where to find their stuff.

    *Lucy B.
    Oh, that must be frustrating.

    *Lucy B.
    It's really interesting to me the waves pseuds and real names go in.

    *yhlee
    No--I mean, I want to read the trad. published stuff along with the continued production of fanfic, because the one makes me think I'd like the other, and I have no way of finding (or knowing about) the trad. stuff.

    But anyway, I suppose that's getting OT.

    I joined the internet through BBSes/fidonet in the late '90s where everything was (presumed) real names, so it just never occurred to me that I could pseud when I joined LJ. Oh well.

    *Lucy B.
    I did, too. I started using a pseud because I thought academia would care that I wrote gay porn on the internet. Now I give talks on it at my school...

    *Jintian
    Yes, fandom is becoming so much more visible, so maybe those days of fiercely protecting the pseud will one day see an end? Not that I'M ready for it! Which leads to my next question....

    *yhlee
    Ha!

    *Jintian
    Given the increasing visibility of fanworks to both content/source creators and the public, what do you think are some important points to emphasize — or sources to use — when explaining fanworks to people who are unfamiliar with them?

    *Eve
    Readers' freedom in interpreting sources. This might include explaining fanworks that are, say, rated NC-17, for series often assumed to be targeted toward the younger audience, like Naruto.

    *Jintian
    (This reminds me of the Passover dinner party I attended last year where the host proceeded to explain to everyone how 50 Shades used to be "slash" fanfic, because "slash" is any fanfic which has explicit sex.)

    *Lucy B.
    I really believe that the gender issues in fandom, the large number of girls and women who write and vid and draw, is important. It seems like an odd thing to emphasize, but I think it goes a long way toward breaking down stereotypes, plus I'll be damned if we get written out of the history of THESE artforms.

    *Eve
    There might have been at least one case when an Indonesian non-fannish person posted on the internet that Naruto has porn on it!! not safe for our children!

    Phil
    I think one important point is that it's not all just sex. That's probably the worst part. There have been fanworks that have made me cry and feel such indescribable emotion. It's more than just sex. There's so much more.

    *Lucy B.
    Also, *headdesk* on the definitions of "slash."

    JessieB
    Slash has taken on a new meaning in the 21st century

    Psyga S.
    Wait, I thought they labeled sex fics as "Lemon".

    Phil
    Lemon, smut, so much. Lemon is one of the terms used on websites where those things are banned.

    JessieB
    Never heard that one before

    *yhlee
    I've seen "lemon" most in anime fandoms. Maybe other places.

    *Lucy B.
    It has, but in terms of it being a useful term, I still firmly believe that keeping the same-sex element is important.

    "Slash," I mean.

    *Eve
    Hears about lemon, not about the being banned part.

    *Lucy B.
    This is one of the few hills I plant my aged flag on, to mix a metaphor ;)

    JessieB
    When I was first in fandom slash refered to non-canon m/m pairings

    *Eve
    Lucy: Which stereotypes are these?

    *Lucy B.
    The stereotype of the fan as, well, Comic Book Guy.

    Phil
    There was one website I was on where you weren't supposed to post any sexual content, so it was tagged lemon.

    Honestly, if it's not allowed there, you shouldn't post it. There's other places where you can do that.

    *Eve
    I asked because the stereotype I often hear is "those fangirls who write fanfic just as an excuse to get two men into bed."

    *Lucy B.
    Also, the stereotype of girls in fandom as sexy cosplayers who are only cosplaying sexily to show off for men. I should be clear that I fully approve of sexily cosplaying women.

    I see that one sometime, but not in the wider culture.

    JessieB
    who quotes the stereotype?

    *Lucy B.
    Well, MY wider culture.

    JessieB
    where does it originate?

    *Lucy B.
    Sorry, that was imprecise.

    Originate? I honestly don't know. I just know that when I see someone talking about Batman or Star Trek on TV, it's usually a man.

    JessieB
    nnods

    *Jintian
    Unfortunately I've seen that a lot, too, Eve -- or the variation of "fangirl who only cares about hot actors." Which is frustrating, because I came into fandom as a young girl who was clueless about a lot of stuff, and I valued being in a community that was majority female because it contained so much more than that fangirl stereotype. Er...but I could write a whole memoir about my feelings on this.

    *Eve
    The stereotype about girls writing men in bed came up a few years back, during the Diana Gabaldon brouhaha, but I couldn't remember the exact source, sorry.

    *yhlee
    I must have missed the Gabaldon thing.

    JessieB
    I think I missed this. What Diana GAbaldon brouhaha?

    Psyga S.
    Most stereotypes I find are just girls writing about bad boys and trying to justify how they're really good or who refuse to let things change.

    Phil
    Yes, please. Forgive my ignorance. What's the Diana issue?

    *Lucy B.
    http://fanlore.org/wiki/Diana_Gabaldon

    *yhlee
    Thank you.

    *Lucy B.
    NP

    The entry understates the massive upset on her part.

    JessieB
    interesting. I used to enjoy her work too

    *Lucy B.
    She entered the Anne Rice stratosphere.

    Phil
    That's sad, because I see fanfiction as an appreciation, not a legal issue.

    *yhlee
    Oh dear.

    Zalia C.
    Damn, I remember that blowing up and I don't even know her stuff

    Psyga S.
    Everyone has their different tastes on fandoms.

    *Eve
    Yeah, I read her books too. I stopped after they get far less plotty and after that scathing post on fanfic.

    *yhlee
    OTOH, on the sf/f pro writing end I used to hear that even if you didn't mind fanfic, you were better off being silent or not officially okay with it because of legal reasons because of some trouble Marion Zimmer Bradley had had.

    Now, I'm just a short story writer and I don't make a living off my writing so it's not like I have a horse in this race wearing that hat, but I'm pretty sure at least some writers were scared off by that whole lien of thought.
    * line

    *Lucy B.
    I think, for good or ill, as fanworks become more visible, we'll see more creators coming down on one side or the other.

    *Jintian
    That actually gets into another question we wanted to ask: Do you think the scrutiny of fandom from academics, legal practitioners, entertainment industries and the media, have affected the creative freedom of source creators or fan creators? Not just authors putting the kibosh on fanworks, but for instance, cases where creators have engaged with fans in their own spaces regarding criticism of work they were connected to. There have also been cases of the media forcing those in the entertainment industry to engage with particular fanworks in an interview setting.

    Phil
    Yes, like the Sherlock incident. It's supposed to be amusing.

    JessieB
    that was abysmal on her part

    I know who the writer was

    Phil
    That was horrid. I remember the backlash. It wasn't an okay thing to do. Poor thing. I also know who the writer is too - she was not happy about it.

    JessieB
    she's a damn good fanfic writer imho

    *Lucy B.
    I don't really think academics have TOO much to do with it, since the stuff we/they write usually tends to be read by a couple hundred people (she said ruefully).

    But the popular attention is a different story.

    Phil
    Although many writers say that writing fanfiction is a bad platform to develop your own writing skills. That factors a bit into academics, I guess.

    Zalia C.
    Academia usually (not always) also doesn't have a stake in making fandom look bad for the camera

    *Lucy B.
    Honestly, and this may be my cybertheorist lens here, I think social media is one of the biggest factors.

    JessieB
    Why do they say fanfiction is a bad platform to develop your own writing, out of interest?

    anyone got any insight into that?

    *Lucy B.
    The filtering mechanisms that used to separate creators and fans is just not there any more.

    *yhlee
    On scrutiny: I remember Cat Valente once saying she would *not* engage with fanworks not because she disapproves of them--she does approve--but because she didn't want to stifle fan creativity.

    Phil
    Because people say that you should be able to come up with your own characters and plotlines, not "steal" anyone's else's.

    *Eve
    Because the universe is already there and you don't have to develop one of your own? There's AU fic, but the characters are still created by another person, not by you.

    *Lucy B.
    What they said ;)

    *yhlee
    That's BS. You can still learn description, pacing, tension, plot (if you're writing plotty fic), etc. etc.

    *Lucy B.
    Oh, sure.

    JessieB
    I can see why they would say that but I disagree with it

    Zalia C.
    By that token, professional comic book writers also don't count

    Phil
    I agree. As long as the writing's original, there shouldn't be a problem.

    *Jintian
    Yes, social media -- yhlee mentioned The Vampire Diaries earlier, which is a fandom I share, and the writers/producers/actors are all over Twitter and fan polls, to the extent of fans even influencing storylines and relationships on the show.

    *yhlee
    Fanfic may tend to emphasize a different tool set. But God knows there are published sf/f writers (hard sf usually gets the knock for this, but it's hardly alone) who can't characterize their way out of a paper bag.

    *Eve
    And you learn to live inside the heads of a variety of different characters.

    Zalia C.
    also any writers for TV shows who aren't the creators. Video game writers.

    Psyga S.
    Yeah. There was that article done on Movellas where it encourages not just writing, but reading through Fanfics as well.

    *yhlee
    Oh, is *that* why Vampire Diaries' plot is all over the map? Hahaha. :)

    Psyga S.
    So there are some sites that view fanfics as a positive influence.

    *Lucy B.
    Heeee

    JessieB
    I wouldn't have been published without having first written fanfiction, although mine hasn't been as successful as 50 shades, more's the pity

    *Jintian
    (Tumblr TVD fandom is...let's just say there's a narrative there about fans having a huge influence on the show.)

    *Lucy B.
    Very few have. That one struck a nerve.

    *yhlee
    Well, it's a different narrative model. I'll have to start following that.

    Phil
    I think someone said that 50 shades isn't fanfic because the characters and plot are completely different. Haven't read and never cared about Twilight, though, so I have nothing to say about that.

    *yhlee
    L5R is interesting in that it's always had player involvement in the storyline--tourney wins influence what clan gets written into what storyline prizes, etc. I was on the Story Team for a year working for AEG, and I have to say that it really changes the dynamic.

    *Jintian
    On the other hand, I've seen The Powers That Be from Teen Wolf and Sherlock saying recently that fans who are there for slash interpretations are just flat-out reading the shows wrong. Which touches on Eve's point earlier about the validity of a variety of reader interpretations.

    Psyga S.
    Well, from what I heard, it used to be "Master of the Universe", a Twilight fanfic, but then the serial numbers got filed off for obvious reasons... Which has me wonder how the published fanfics will work...

    *yhlee
    I'm used to writing whatever the hell I want, freelance. But when you're writing for customers of game product, and there's a backlog going back 5+ years of story prizes for X Clan getting Cool Storyline, vs. whatever Marketing is doing that week, it gets interesting. So any sort of extended player/audience
    control--isn't worse, but it's def. different.

    *Lucy B.
    Some people file more successfully than others.

    *yhlee
    Teresa Nielsen Hayden at Tor Books likes to explain reading as the process of compiling source code (the text) into the story (whatever ends up in the individual reader's head). The author can control the source, but not what comes out the other end. Some creators have better luck accepting this than others.

    DLChase
    (Sherlock showrunners just flat out lie. Don't trust what they say until the series is over.)

    *yhlee
    Of course, some readers/consumers also compile better than others, so there's that too.

    *Lucy B.
    This is true

    *Jintian
    Heh, yhlee, there's a joke somewhere in there about End User License Agreements...

    Phil
    About the Sherlock thing - I do agree that some people are reading the shows wrong. But I don't understand how a lot of the things that the writers thought of - esp in TEH - came up with those ideas "Sheriaty", etc.) However, a lot of people spend hours analyzing a show and believing in things that will probably never happen (hint: Johnlock). I'm just saying.

    *Eve
    Jintian: Tumblr talks about queerbaiting, which is problematic but sells. Might be an example of fan reaction influencing source material.

    Phil
    Queerbaiting is most definitely a thing.

    JessieB
    And yet Moffat has kind of been supportive of fan works

    elaborate please, in what way queerbaiting?

    *yhlee
    As a creator, sure, I'd tend to play to audience, all other things being equal. :] From a purely money-grubbing standpoint.

    *Lucy B.
    Then there's how Supernatural dealt with awareness of fandom.

    *yhlee
    Were those the parody-of-fandom eps?

    Phil
    It's hard to imagine Moffat being supportive of anything wow.

    *Lucy B.
    Yeah.

    Phil
    Anyway, I have a particularly good link about queerbaiting I'll try to find.

    *Jintian
    *nod* It's an interesting time to be in fandom. We're visible, we have voices and (some) influence -- see also San Diego Comic-Con and how that kind of fan interaction is now seen as a great way to market -- and yet personally, I don't always *want* the creators to give in to fan desires.

    *Lucy B.
    * nods *

    Phil
    Here's a link about the queerbaiting in Sherlock: http://mekbuda--old1.tumblr.com/post/43189667428/ I think it's interesting, but I don't have too many thoughts on it. I don't think too much about these issues.

    *yhlee
    This is a good point. L5R experience again--if nothing else sometimes you lose narrative cohesion, and also, not all fans want the same thing so we can't all get what we want at the same time in canon all at once.

    Which is why I like fan creations--I get more *choice.*

    *Lucy B.
    There's also the phenomenon when they THINK they're catering to the fans but just really, really don't understand what the fans want.

    *Eve
    Some fans would rather see actual queer characters on shows, rather than "hints."

    *yhlee
    Yes, absolutely.

    *Lucy B.
    Which is another reason I think pushing "Girls watch scifi/read comics/etc too!" is important, among other things.

    I have a six-year-old daughter who loves superheroes, and sometimes I want to despair.

    *Jintian
    Ohhhhh for a Black Widow movie!

    *Lucy B.
    YES!

    *Jintian
    or Wonder Woman!

    Phil
    There's definitely a clear under representation of queer characters in the media.

    Zalia C.
    You get so used to 'hints't and queerbaiting, that when an actual queer couple turns up in your fandom's source material, you don't trust what you're hearing/watching

    *yhlee
    I have a ten-year-old daughter. It's the same story. I remember the time I took her into our local comic store and she made a beeline for the Wonder Woman 12" figurine I couldn't afford at the time.

    *Eve
    YES! (at the Black Widow or Wonder Woman movies, I mean)

    *yhlee
    (That was a few years ago and we moved, alas. Right now she's on a dragon kick, so, Anne McCaffrey.)

    Psyga S.
    It's sad when the odds of a Black Widow movie are significantly higher than a Wonder Woman movie.

    Zalia C.
    And feel gobsmacked when the creators actually confirm that the couples are queer

    *Lucy B.
    I mean, you tell me what you say when a little girl you love asks why Mcdonalds didn't make ANY girl figures for Young Justice.

    *Jintian
    *nod* @Zalia -- and then I also hope the queer characters' storylines will be treated well and they'll be portrayed as whole individuals

    Phil
    I definitely agree. I just like (pardon the pun) straight-forwardness. It's sad that we have to doubt the best thing we can get - queer couples in the media.

    *yhlee
    I spend a lot of time complaining about how the children's adventures books my daughter loves to read (because dragons dragons dragons) are almost always some guy with a girl sidekick.

    *Lucy B.
    I think it's flat-out criminal that to get a live-action Wonder Woman, you have to go to when *I* was a little girl.

    ARG

    Zalia C.
    *Jintian: oh, so far both queer couples are being treated very very well ^^

    *Eve
    Lynda Carter!

    *yhlee
    Add to that that my daughter is biracial. How many biracial kids get represented? Or Asian heroine girls?

    *Lucy B.
    :(

    JessieB
    coming back to the queerbaiting thing, I'm not sure how it can be there in Sherlock, not when one of it's writers is gay (although I might agree with the sidelining of Bisexual) and has been friends with the other writer for 20 years...

    *Eve
    And not have the queerness (or disability, etc) fully define them.

    Zalia C.
    But I'm very lucky in my choice of fandom

    *Lucy B.
    yhlee, have you found Princeless?

    *yhlee
    I haven't. Will look!

    JessieB
    how so, Zalia?

    Phil
    I honestly think John's bisexual, but I think it's not going to happen. Frankly, I know it's not going to happen. The fact that others' on Tumblr don't think the same is both isolating and somewhat annoying.

    *yhlee
    I sort of hope there will be more queer characters, including non-cisnormative stuff, but in my daughter's age category, I'm not...optimistic.

    *Lucy B.
    Which part don't they agree with, Phil?

    *Eve
    One of the writers might be gay but Greater Powers might not want actual queer characters on the show. This is pure conjecture though.

    Zalia C.
    Two canon queer couples in it,neither of which are defined by their sexuality, none of them die, and they aren't played purely for angst (none of their angst has been sexuality related actually)

    JessieB
    I very much doubt it should happen, even if John is bi, but I rather think the point was missed

    *Jintian
    As we're now at the last half hour of the chat, I just wanted to note again for any latecomers that a full transcript will be available by Monday so you can see anything you missed.

    And now seems a good time to open up to audience questions for the panel. If we could go the old school route of typing "raise hand" if you have a question, I'll call on people in order. :)

    Psyga S.
    raise hand

    *Jintian
    Psyga, go ahead :)

    Psyga S.
    So, discussing about the "Future of Fanworks", has anti-piracy laws like SOPA, TPP, and ACTA ever posed a considerable threat to said future?

    Phil
    I honestly think that ASIB was just plain wrong to Irene and indicative of how Johnlock will never be treated as canon, but no one really agrees with me.

    *Lucy B.
    You know, I honestly don't know.

    *yhlee
    Ditto. :/

    JessieB
    I agree with you, phil

    DLChase
    raise hand

    *Eve
    Neither do I, sorry.

    *Lucy B.
    I think that if there's a really serious threat it's either to vidding - we may have some victories on the visuals, but the RIAA still has its head up its ass,

    Katie
    raise hand

    *Jintian
    We've got a legal Q&A with, I believe, similar questions to these coming up, and I'm sure they'll touch on the anti-piracy laws.

    *Lucy B.
    or to sharing source material.

    *Jintian
    DLChase, go ahead?

    *Lucy B.
    (Disclaimer: really not a lawyer.)

    DLChase
    In fandom we have learned to read the ratings and ignore/accept what suits us. How do we protect preteens from not reading the ratings?

    *Jintian
    (here's the info, Psyga -- March 21 to 24)

    DLChase
    ...and getting age-inappropriate material?

    *yhlee
    Honestly, that's not policeable by individuals. I question whether it's even a good idea, but in my household my daughter can read whatever she's comfortable reading.

    Phil
    Thanks, Jessie. But if people actually don't think those segments were just stamped with "you can turn a lesbian straight with the right guy" *in this case Sherlock* then what else is it about? Not to mention Moffat's thoughts on asexual people - "boring". He doesn't seem open enough to "alternative" sexualities to incorporate something as earth-shattering as Johnlock.

    *yhlee
    And I was raised by parents who let me read whatever the heck I cared to, and I still believe that was the right decision for our household. Other households may vary, of course; not all kids are the same.

    *Lucy B.
    Yeah, I read a lot of stuff I just flat-out didn't understand when I was younger.

    *Eve
    Talks in real life are very encouraged here in Indonesia, but that's a case by case approach, I think. Depends on the adults, upbringing, etc.

    *yhlee
    My kid seems just to ignore sex bits, unfazed by violent bits, and really freaked out by hypnosis episodes in Justice League.

    *Lucy B.
    That said, I think that the move to/back to archives HELPS in that matter.

    Because they tend to have more consistent ratings.

    *yhlee
    Yes, that's a good point.

    DLChase
    Thanks, my family and me read anything and ignore what doesn't suit us.

    *Eve
    Highly rated materials affect different young people differently, and the adults can adapt to that. Otherwise, let the kids read what they want.

    *Lucy B.
    When my oldest niece found fanfic and my sister freaked about it, I suggested I show her AO3 so that she could better choose what she was comfortable with.

    Phil
    I agree. Kids should get free reign over the books they read.

    *Jintian
    I feel like fan authors maybe used to be more concerned about legal ramifications of underage readers finding their stuff. But I haven't seen this as much lately -- maybe it's just in my circles.

    *yhlee
    Pragmatic. I like it, Lucy!

    JessieB
    Phil, I think they were trying to make the point that Sherlock is the one who draws people to him like moths to his flame, despite their basic sexuality.

    DLChase
    (There are far more non-explicit than explicit fix on AO3, for example)

    JessieB
    My two kids read and watch what they like

    *yhlee
    What, because there isn't enough non-fanfic highly-rated material for them anyway?

    *Eve
    Good point :) sometimes kids get curious though.

    JessieB
    and I use what my kids watch to talk about things like exploitation and the difference between fantasy and reality

    *Jintian
    True enough! /said as an avid Stephen King reader from age 11, heh

    *yhlee
    They're going to find something somewhere if they're really determined to. I figure better to discuss openly so I have half a chance of monitoring in case the kidlet gets out of her league.

    Phil
    That's also a good explanation. But some of it just didn't seem right to me.

    *Eve
    And "enter only if you're 18 or older" only makes them want to know what's on the other side. Speaking as someone who used to be a kid.

    *Lucy B.
    Heh

    *Eve
    Again, disclaimer: Other kids might not get curious.

    JessieB
    kids are individuals

    *Jintian
    Also true! That still makes me want to see what's on the other side, in fact.

    Corey
    Or go "heh heh, suuuure I'm 18."

    JessieB
    they come to stuff in their own time

    *yhlee
    I know! And, I mean, sure there's skeevy highly-rated stuff. On the other hand, my daughter could be reading the Xanth novels I was reading as a child. Some of the sexism &c. I would be more concerned about then, say, fic that's "just" sex.

    *Jintian
    Katie, you have a question?

    *Lucy B.
    My general feeling is that nothing I write couldn't be sold in Barnes and Noble, so..

    JessieB
    do you know everything Barnes and Noble stock?

    *Lucy B.
    No, but I know what I've bought there.

    Katie
    Yes, I was wondering, I rate as high as I feel I need to for fics, but I get people who say I triggered them..

    kids mostly...and I feel like it's they're own fault...

    DLChase
    (and once they have read one explicit fic they might decide they like fic with other ratings better)

    *yhlee
    I was one of the people who founded Festivids, which is a rare fandom vidding exchange, and content notes/trigger were one of the things we had to do with. The tough thing is that there are some very common triggers, but there are also less common triggers, and it's a hard balance.

    Katie
    I'm more of making a statement, I guess...

    *yhlee
    * deal with

    Melaric
    As someone who has been producing 18+ material since 13-14, and then tagging it with "enter only if above 18", I feel like the rating system can be really arbitrary, at best.

    *yhlee
    Katie, what kinds of triggers are you talking about? If you can say? Strictly sex/violence, or...?

    Katie
    sex, and crime...

    *yhlee
    For instance, Festivids decided not to require content notes for "just" violence (which we would have, I guess, if we'd been a community of war veterans with PTSD problems) but we did require it for *sexual* violence, which would much more likely to be triggery for the audience of vid-viewers.

    Katie
    medical can set a lot of people off I've found out, and the medical is gen.

    JessieB
    this is true

    *yhlee
    It really is kind of arbitrary, because people vary so much, and there's no universal standard.

    *Lucy B.
    You know, I've actually had this argument in a professional context.

    JessieB
    surely you tag your fiction over and above the rating though?

    *yhlee
    I hear you on medical--my dad is a surgeon so I am impossible to medically squick, but my husband cannot deal with the sight of a needle. Worse in the context of a vid where you see it, not just read about it.

    Katie
    Yeah, it's at M...

    *yhlee
    Do all archives have tags, though?

    Katie
    If you mean mine, I think so.

    JessieB
    this is an interesting question

    Kristina B.
    Lucy, have you seen last week's trigger warnings on college campuses posts? I just taught that in my gender class this week.

    Psyga S.
    I doubt Fanfiction.net has any.

    except for Genres and Characters.

    Katie
    No, they don't.

    I'm on there...

    *Lucy B.
    I've taught some books and stories with disturbing material, and you'd be surprised how strongly my colleagues argue against allowing students to do an alternative readings.

    JessieB
    me too

    *yhlee
    Yes, FF.net is a good example--unless the author adds extra notes I don't recall seeing an archive-enforced tag system.

    *Lucy B.
    I haven't, Kristina.

    *Lucy B.
    I should.

    *Eve
    That's why I'm more comfortable on AO3, the tags are informative.

    *yhlee
    What are some arguments against alt. readings, Lucy?

    JessieB
    again, I agree

    Corey
    On fanfiction.net, it's considered good form to announce potential triggers in the summary and/or an author's note

    Katie
    What happened to don't like, don't read?

    JessieB
    people do post that in summary on ff.net

    Katie
    I mean some stuff I don't like and I don't read it.

    JessieB
    I've seen it a few times

    Psyga S.
    There are some who read even if they don't like. Mainly for the fun of it (I.e. sporking/riffing)

    Corey
    (Not that everyone does though)

    JessieB
    true

    *Lucy B.
    Basically that while we might get, say, a woman wanting to forgo "River of Names" for sexual assault, the far, far more likely complaint we'll get here in Central IL is "it's against my religion to read about gay people."

    Kristina B.
    Oh, it's been fascinating. Lemme find you the links: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/05/trigger-warnings-can-be-counterproductive, http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2014/03/05/against-trigger-warnings/(they have further links)

    *yhlee
    Oh, I see what you're saying, Lucy. (I'm in Louisiana and I am...not straight.)

    *Jintian
    It's a hard topic, Katie -- if something isn't warned for adequately or specifically enough, a reader may not know there's potentially going to be a problem. Just speaking generally.

    *Lucy B.
    Me, I'm pretty comfortable drawing a line between the two.

    But still.

    Katie
    I warn a lot, so I guess I should get used to it...

    I'm new at this...

    Psyga S.
    I'm new as well.

    Katie
    We're talking about two years.

    *Eve
    I check the tags and notes. If something bothers me in the midst of reading, I stop. (I'm a simple person like that)

    *something unexpected bothers me

    *yhlee
    I try to err on the side of lots of tags, but I sometimes guess wrong. IME it never hurts to apologize and add the tags. I like AO3's "refuse to warn" as a catchall where you feel it would harm the story.

    Katie
    What's that?

    *yhlee
    I'm like that too, Eve, but I have such a short memory reading material and vids don't really traumatize me. If other people are built differently, then it doesn't harm me to accommodate them.

    Katie
    "refuse to warn"?

    Psyga S.
    It's good that AO3 has tags for the triggers, but I'm not sure what triggers what outside of the obvious ones.

    Katie
    Well there is medical, maybe?

    *yhlee
    "Refuse to warn"--oh sorry, it's one of their categories? LEt me look it up.

    JessieB
    the trouble is, when do we stop? How can we actually know ALL the potential triggers? It could get ridiculous. I'm not saying don't tag but how far do we go?

    Psyga S.
    Yeah. AO3 has that whole "does not use Archive Warnings" thing... I think that's what Yhlee is talking about.

    *Lucy B.
    We can't.

    Dai-kun
    IMO, what triggers what is really subjective, and so I only tag the obvious ones

    *Jintian
    Katie, AO3's posting format for fanworks has a checkbox where you can indicate that you choose not to provide any warnings for the fanwork. So it's a reader-beware catch-all category.

    *yhlee
    Yes, that's the one. But that only works if you use an archive where you know what the standardized warnings are.

    *Lucy B.
    OTOH, I think there are some that are reasonably obvious.

    Psyga S.
    The only thing we CAN do is find the triggers ourselves, or what we think are triggers.

    *yhlee
    JessieB, that's the thing--again, it's a balancing act. Decide what you're comfortable with, and stick with it (or reassess if you feel that's necessary). It's up to you, ultimately.

    *Lucy B.
    I mean, as a teacher, I warn for graphic sexual assault, and that's it.

    JessieB
    agreed, and hope nobody comes up with a trigger we've not met before?

    Katie
    Yeah, I agree. Sorry if I started something here.

    *yhlee
    No, it's a good question, Katie.

    I mean, as a writer of non-fanfic fiction, those stories don't GET warnings at all.

    And I regularly write about genocide, so...

    JessieB
    that's true

    *yhlee
    (I guess "by Yoon Ha Lee" *is* the warning.)

    Melaric
    There is really no way to foresee what might be triggering for your entire audience though.

    *Lucy B.
    Heh

    Kristina B.
    Lucy, I warn for extreme violence, death, and torture in my Holocaust course

    *Lucy B.
    Well, and there are blurbs

    *Eve
    I hear you, yhlee. I hope that nothing in my books has triggered the readers, but...

    *yhlee
    True. Short fiction doesn't always get that intro thing from the editor, and rarely gets blurbs beforehand. I have a book (short story collection), but the blurbs would be useless in telling about triggering stuff.

    *Eve
    Blurbs are fine, but the details in the story might still have something triggery in them. My experience as a reader.

    *yhlee
    But it's interesting to me that the convention (having warnings/content notes) is so different in fanfic vs. non-fanfic.

    *Jintian
    We've got a few minutes left of the "formal" chat discussion time, but people should feel free to stick around afterward if you like. Many thanks again to the panelists and to the audience for participating! :) And we just wanted to ask one last question, which we'll open to everyone:

    The OTW proposed designating February 15th an International Fanworks Day to celebrate all things fanworks. Anyone can participate by advocating for, creating, or appreciating the wide variety of fanworks available. How would you choose to celebrate the event?

    *Eve
    Create fanworks-related memes, e.g. a list of questions (share your experiences, etc.) or a list of mini-challenges.

    Psyga S.
    Hm... Not sure, but I think I might write up a meta fanfiction. Like, a fanfiction about fanfiction.

    *Eve
    Anyone who see the memes can play.

    JessieB
    Collaborative effort, groups of fanfic authors getting together to produce something together

    Psyga S.
    Fanfiception

    *Lucy B.
    It might be fun to challenge people to revisit a past fandom in some way.

    *yhlee
    Honestly, make a recs post (yes, I do leave feedback/kudos, I just read slowly). Goodness knows I have enough stuff accumulated and I should share!

    Dai-kun
    I think I will be making fanworks and encourage the fandom groups I manage to create some too, maybe making a challenge that ends on 15th Feb?

    Zalia C.
    See if I could get together another Iron Fanwork event for the fandom

    JessieB
    I like that idea LucyB

    sukeb
    I think Psyga's fanfiception is a good idea.

    *yhlee
    I love the meta fanfic idea.

    Psyga S.
    Heck, it could even be a crossover between two fanfictions... That'd be epic.

    *yhlee
    Hahaha.

    *Lucy B.
    :D

    *yhlee
    Mini-challenges leading up to the day also sound fun!

    Psyga S.
    Ebony in Methods of Rationality :P

    *Jintian
    I've perpetually got a backlog of recs and could fold that into revisiting past fandoms. Celebrating other fan creators!

    *Lucy B.
    I like that idea

    JessieB
    we managed a massive summer Mystrade gift exchange last year, it worked well. Writing for someone else is always a challenge. It might work for feb 15th too.

    fulfill someone else's requests

    *yhlee
    Oh, an exchange!

    *Lucy B.
    I've had a really great time, folks, but the pain meds are wearing off. Thanks for inviting me!

    JessieB
    I loved doing it, and it works well.

    *yhlee
    Yeah, I should turn in too; I'm still flu-ish. Take care all, and thanks for having me!

    *Eve
    I've reached a phase where I'd rather write for someone else than have my request fulfilled. :)

    *Jintian
    Thank you so much again for participating, and have a good rest of the weekend!

    *Lucy B.
    You, too!

    JessieB
    can I ask before you go, where is everyone based in the world?

    Katie
    Iowa, USA.

    *Eve
    Thank you for participating, Lucy and yhlee. Take care!

    JessieB
    I just wonder about different outlooks on fanfic coming from different countries

    DLChase
    Thanks for holding the chat and chatiing. Over and out from Atlanta, Georgia, USA.

    *Eve
    Indonesia.

    JessieB
    take care all and thank you

    *Jintian
    Great question, JessieB -- I'm in Washington, DC

    Psyga S.
    Canada

    JessieB
    I'm in the UK

    *Eve
    Fanworks are very a niche-y activity here, but I did participate in one fanworks event at least, back in 2006.

    Melaric
    Currently US, but also Canada, UK, and China

    Zalia C.
    UK

    *Jintian
    !! Thank you so much for logging on, JessieB -- we know this timezone was difficult for people in Europe

    *Eve
    Event in real life, that is.

    *Jintian
    time, rather, due to timezones

    JessieB
    I've enjoyed it

    saw it last minute on tumblr

    *Jintian
    and Zalia

    Dai-kun
    *raises hand*

    JessieB
    where abouts are you, Zalia?

    Zalia C.
    Yorkshire

    *Jintian
    Did you have a question, Dai-kun? Or reporting in from Europe also? :)

    JessieB
    never... where?

    oops, hit the wrong key

    Zalia C.
    Haha, I wondered

    Um, near Huddersfield, if you know it

    JessieB
    where in Yorkshire?

    if I know it

    I'm in York

    what are the odds?

    Zalia C.
    :D Awesome. I get over there pretty regularly

    JessieB
    two of us from one county

    Zalia C.
    and not in London! \o/

    JessieB
    county. never mind country

    Katie
    *raises hand*

    *Jintian
    I think no need for raising hands for questions at this point, as panelists are taking off, but as I said, feel free to continue chatting informally. :)

  • Join fans for a Future of Fanworks chat!

    By Claudia Rebaza on vendredi, 14 March 2014 - 7:04pm
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    Tomorrow the OTW will be holding the second of its four March events discussing "The Future of Fanworks" from 0100 - 0300 UTC on March 15th/16th (What time is that in my timezone?)

    • Moderator: Jintian, OTW Communications staffer
    • Guest: cereta
    • Guest: yhlee
    • Guest: yifu

    Edited to add: The chat has concluded but if you missed it, here's the transcript!

  • Events Calendar for March 2014

    By Angela Nichols on samedi, 1 March 2014 - 10:58pm
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    Welcome to our Events Calendar roundup for the month of March! The Events Calendar can be found on the OTW website

    • To celebrate the OTW's Milestone Month we are hosting four events featuring a discussion on "The Future of Fanworks" with a variety of special guests.
    • March 8: Live chat with fan studies scholars on "The future of fanworks" from 1600-1800 UTC
    • March 15: Live chat with fans on "The future of fanworks" from 0200 - 0400 UTC
    • March 21-24: Q&A posts with copyright practitioners and scholars on "The future of fan works."
    • March 29: Live chat with entertainment industry representatives on "The future of fan works". Start time TBD
    • Check out more details here!

    We have four calls for papers coming up in the next month!

    • At Joss Whedon: A Celebration DePaul University's Media and Cinema Studies program will honor of the work of Joss Whedon featuring a roundtable discussions from scholars and fans of Whedon, speaking about his cultural impact, as well as analyzing aspects of his television shows and films. If you’re interested in speaking on a round table on Saturday, May 03, in Chicago please send a 200 word abstract by Mar 15.

      Read more about Joss Whedon on Fanlore

    • Subverting Fashion: Style Cultures, Fan Culture & the Fashion Industry aims to explore appropriations of fashion and style as creativity, self-expression, collective identity and rebelliousness in media and culture, as well as questioning these approaches both within and outside the fashion industry. 250-word proposals for 20-minute papers are needed on topics related to alternative fashion, style and performative identity in popular culture and the media. Papers from all disciplines and areas of research are invited. Abstract deadline: 20th March, 2014.
    • A Fantastic Legacy: Diana Wynne Jones Memorial Conference will celebrate the life, and contributions to children’s literature, fantasy and science fiction of a ground-breaking writer of British children’s fantasy. They are currently seeking papers on any aspect of Diana’s life and work. Participants are invited to submit 100-250 word abstracts for 20 minute papers by 28 March 2014

      Read more about Diana Wynne Jones on Fanlore

    • New Perspectives on Cinematic Spectatorship, Digital Culture & Space The journal Networking Knowledge is publishing a special issue on the ‘cinematic dispositif’ in light of the transformative effects of digital culture. Articles by postgraduate and early career researchers, which are 5,000 to 6,000 words long are welcome. Please send abstracts of up to 300 words along with a 50-word biography by April 1st 2014

    • The Events Calendar is here to inform and connect fans about upcoming fan events both face to face and online! We are always open to submissions by anyone with news of an event. Events come in many categories such as Academic Events, Fan Gatherings, Legal Events, OTW Events, Announcements of fanwork fests and challenges, or Technology Events taking place around the world and online. New ideas and categories are encouraged! If you know about any upcoming fan events please let us know!

  • OTW Fannews: Documenting Fandom

    By Julia Allis on samedi, 28 September 2013 - 6:58pm
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    • The Hollywood Reporter wrote about Japan smashing the tweets per second world record. The reason? The word "balus" was tweeted "during a television broadcast of Hayao Miyazaki's anime classic Castle in the Sky (Tenku no Shiro Rapyuta)."
    • Retired English teacher Bill Kraft published a book about his 13-year campaign to honor Star Trek on a U.S. postage stamp. "The 72-year-old became a Trekkie in 1979 as he watched the last 10 minutes of 'Trek: The Motion Picture,' which ended with the creation — instead of the destruction — of a new life form..." His book contains "more than 140 letters endorsing the idea, including supporting words from Ray Bradbury, Isaac Asimov, NASA, Arthur C. Clarke and then- U.S. Sen. John Kerry. 'I had these beautiful, eloquent letters in my crawlspace for 15, 20 years, and I thought, "What a terrible shame. This should be part of the public record in some way,"' Kraft said."
    • The Central Florida Future wrote about in-person fandom clubs on college campuses. The Harry Potter club, "[I]n addition to visiting Universal Orlando’s Wizarding World of Harry Potter, the group would love to attend LeakyCon, a Harry Potter convention that is coming to Orlando in 2014. Already boasting a group of about 90, the club expects a spike in enrollment following the opening of Diagon Alley at Universal Orlando." Also mentioning the Doctor Who and My Little Pony groups, the article concludes that college life "might just be the perfect place to cultivate friendships and a fandom."
    • Meanwhile professors are studying fandom at Dragon Con. "Dunn and Herrmann's quantitative survey will look mostly at cosplay but will also encompass fandom in general and what specifically draws these people to Dragon Con." Students of cosplay courses might also be a good group to talk with. "ETSU offers a unique thespian course over the summer semester that teaches cosplay with a focus on 'acting for the convention goer.'"

    What fandom documentation have you seen in the mass media? Write about it in Fanlore! Contributions are welcome from all fans.

    We want your suggestions! If you know of an essay, video, article, podcast, or link you think we should know about, comment on the most recent OTW Fannews post. Links are welcome in all languages! Submitting a link doesn't guarantee that it will be included in a roundup post, and inclusion of a link doesn't mean that it is endorsed by the OTW.

  • San Diego Comic Con Recap

    By Claudia Rebaza on mercredi, 24 July 2013 - 6:48pm
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    The following post was written by Heidi Tandy from our Legal Committee, who represented the OTW at Comic Con

    Were you at Comic-Con this past weekend, or did you follow the online news, announcements, surprise appearances, news leaks, first reactions and photos that covered Twitter, tumblr, Instagram, blogs, Facebook and journaling sites -- and inspired nearly a dozen fics on An Archive Of Our Own?

    The OTW was on site in San Diego, covering Comic-Con for the first time with a small team of reporters and bloggers; we couldn't be everywhere (although none of us slept much) so we'd love to hear your stories and see your photos! Please link to them in comments; if you'd like us to include your pics, please share only photos where the people visibly pictured are on a panel, are celebrities, or have given permission for you to share the photo with us at OTW to use on the site.

    A Meetup Of Our Own

    Team OTW met many of you at A Meetup Of Our Own on Wednesday night, where we chatted about fandom, panels we most wanted to see at Comic Con, strategies for coping with the lines for autographs and to get into Hall H and Ballroom 20, and whether we'd get to see sneak previews of shows and films, or advanced copies of books, comics, games and toys. Authors Scott Westerfeld and Sarah Kuhn joined the party, and it was a relaxing way to get ready for the excitement and frenzy of the next few days.

    Day 1 - Getting Connected


    Sherlock cosplayers

    On Thursday, some of the longest lines were for HASBRO exclusives, Marvel's "Coulson Lives!" t-shirts and Ballroom 20, where two shows - Intelligence and Star Crossed - were showing pilots before the Sherlock panel. Hall H was comparatively quiet. Before the doors opened for panels and presentations, we met fans in long and short lines, talked to costumed attendees about gender-swap cosplay, ran through a few rounds of Cards Against Humanity and looked over the schedule of events. This year, moreso than ever before, attendees with smartphones - or even just text messaging plans - were able to know what was going on at the other end of the con via Twitter or find out about last minute offsite event guests, like Tom Hiddleston on Sunday afternoon at Zachary Levi's NerdHQ. @HallHLine and @Ballroom20, as well as organizational Twitter accounts like OutsideComicCon and SD_Comic_Con and panelist accounts like Marvel's @AgentM and @GeekandSundry were continuous sources of information this year.

    Day 2 -- Fanworks On Display


    An audience of fanfiction lovers!

    On Friday afternoon, an overflow crowd gathered at the "Why Fanfiction Is Taking Over the World" panel. Fanart has become commonplace at SDCC, as Marvel hosted a fanart gallery at the offsite Geek & Sundry location.


    Video screen at the FOX booth

    FOX's booth showcased Teen Wolf fanart and memes during the actors' signing while BBCAmerica did similarly at their offsite Doctor Who meetup. DeviantART sponsored Artists' Alley and some of their staff were featured on various panels. But while many of the authors at signings and on panels at SDCC have backgrounds in fanfic, only the general Fanfiction panel on Friday and a Twilight panel of fanfic writers spent full sessions on fanfiction. However, people in lines and in rooms between panels read stories on their smartphones, tablets and laptops, sharing recommendations with and occasionally reading aloud to those sitting near them.


    "How It Should Have Ended" creators interview

    Simply connecting with the people in line around you was a great way to learn more about fellow attendees' fannish pursuits during the other 51 weeks of the year. Presenters like the team behind the "How It Should Have Ended" videos talked to us about their unexpected transition from fanboys and fangirls to creators of a webseries that people - including Damon Lindelof - are now fans of.

    Indie movies played almost around the clock at the Marriott, and Rob Benedict of Felicity and Supernatural premiered Sidekicks, a film impacted by his experiences interacting with fans of that show at cons over the years. Gingerhaze, who's well known for her original art as well as her fanart, created awesome, inspired drawings at the BOOM! booth just opposite Marvel's massive signing-and-selling-and-celebrating area. Felicia Day celebrated strong female characters, Neil Gaiman hugged MarkDoesStuff and praised his read-alongs, and John Barrowman fanboyed everything (except Stephen Moffat, it seems).

    For many, Friday included a Veronica Mars experience, as the show-turned-movie took over Hall H in the middle of the day, as well as a Horton Plaza movie theater that night. The film is currently the largest Kickstarter-funded project, as it brought together thousands of fans and millions of dollars to partially fund the cost of this major motion picture. (See the cast panel entrance) Perhaps because of Kickstarter's impact on a range of fandoms, this year Comic Con included more panels than ever on crowd-funding, self-marketing and transitioning to professional writing, costuming and art.

    Days 3 and 4 - From the Creator Side

    Team OTW spent much of Saturday and Sunday talking to fans in lines, outside panel rooms, and amid all that, we were also in the press rooms, interviewing the creators and casts of Almost Human, Lost Girl, Adventure Time, The Originals (with a question to Julie Plec about The Tomorrow People, too), Supernatural, Teen Wolf and Black Sails. We asked casts and showrunners about how they're inspired by fan creativity, why they think their shows inspire fans, and how they look at fan reactions, legal issues and social media. We'll be bringing you excerpts from these conversations over the next week.


    "Grrls Fall In Love" panel with Veronica Wolff (The Watchers), Ally Condie (Matched), Holly Black (The Coldest Girl in Coldtown), Veronica Roth (Divergent), Marissa Meyer (Scarlet) and Lissa Price (Starters) with Sherri Smith (Orleans) moderating

    While we went to Comic-Con with a plan to focus our attention on fan creativity and legal issues, random bits of "entertainment news" fell into our laps, and we had to make spontaneous decisions about how to share such news, while keeping OTW's coverage itself focused on stories related to our mission, site and advocacy issues.

    If you were at Comic-Con or the OTW Meetup, we'd love to hear from you, and include your words, images, and videos in our coverage and collections. Comment with links to your posts or videos, or to photos of yourself or panelists. If you're including people other than yourself and/or panelists in your links, please make sure you have the permission of anyone whose face can be seen in the photo.

  • OTW Fannews: Cultural objects

    By .Cynthia on dimanche, 23 June 2013 - 6:32pm
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    • The Barnard Center for Research on Women's blog proposed feminist remixes as the next step to combating negative media representations. "Through our studies, work, and activism, many of us have learned to be critical of these images, to deconstruct them in order to understand the assumptions and messages behind them." Remixes can then create something new out of the deconstructed work. Emeritus OTW Board member Francesca Coppa teamed with Elisa Kreisenger to present at this year’s Utopia conference. "Kreisinger encouraged Utopia attendees to try their own hand at remixing as a way to take back their identities from corporate commoditization and depict women in ways that do not revolve around heteronormative relationships and procreation. Her mantra and advice to fellow feminists: 'Don’t blame the media, become the media.'"
    • The U.S. Department of Defense site Armed With Science wrote about how fandom objects are also historical markers. "From the swirls and statues of the ancient world, to the banners of the mid-evil armies, to the crests of colleges and sports teams, to iconic superhero emblems, to even the branding of large companies, humanity is filled with identifiable signs that mark the trail through our history." Discussing the impact of Star Trek in culture, the post cites how its creations "are often seen as agents of scientific and social change."
    • While some fandoms like Bronies don't lack for people willing to step forward and declare their allegiance, many in furry fandom reacted poorly to media presence at Furlandia. "Attendees started to wonder what was going on when production teams and cameras began to show up. It didn’t take long for someone to announce that MTV had arrived. According to the PR director, an announcement had been made at opening ceremonies; no written notification had been given." In comments to the post, one reader pointed out "From a television producer's point of view, furries really are a nightmare scenario" because "you have a producer who's expected to get exciting footage trying to get said exciting footage from a group of hard-to-find, reluctant, camera-shy people who may only agree under very specific and limiting conditions (which almost ensure that nothing crazy will happen), all the while letting you know that they will be scrutinizing your every movement and most likely hate anything you say about them." The poster concluded that "if a good documentary about furries is going to come from somewhere, it's going to come from within the fandom, and it's probably going to be targeted toward furries (it just won't have the appeal or the resources to make it to the mass public)."

    What fandom objects do you think will have an impact on general culture? Write about it in Fanlore! Contributions are welcome from all fans.

    We want your suggestions! If you know of an essay, video, article, podcast, or link you think we should know about, comment on the most recent OTW Fannews post. Links are welcome in all languages! Submitting a link doesn't guarantee that it will be included in a roundup post, and inclusion of a link doesn't mean that it is endorsed by the OTW.

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